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Ovh and the Patriot Act

07-19-2011, 11:04 AM
The Versign site might provide you with better answers to your questions.

07-15-2011, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the reply Jane!
My registrar is located in the UK and doesn't have any parts of it's company located in the USA.
So you're saying the FBI or ICE could technically obtain my information without even asking my UK-based registrar or my host (I've already checked with support to make sure that my site is within OVH's Terms of Service)?

Does the USA own the root servers for .com .org. and .net servers?


07-15-2011, 03:21 PM
Hi blackpropeller

All OVH customers need to comply with OVH's T&C and also the registries T&C's.

In the cases you highlighted, the decision was taken by the registry according to the FBI requests as they also keep personal data.

So for this, if the FBI wanted details on the owner of a .com, .net etc...they wouldn't even have to ask the registrar.


07-15-2011, 02:45 PM
Hey Guys,
I got a quick question.
Since the US just came out with some laws allowing them to takedown & prosecute any .com .org or .net web-sites and owners if they feel that their site is infringing US copyrights.

I've asked your support team about audio file linking (content isnt hosted nor controlled by my site, it's syndicated from other sites).

Would OVH give up my personal information to the US if they thought that it was infringing their copyright (without sending me a DMCA takedown request) and take down my site even if I comply with all OVH ToS rules?


PS. Here are some of the articles that have more info about these laws:,2817,2387202,00.asp

07-12-2011, 01:19 AM
ok thanks

I remember when I first found out about OVH they only sold to the Province of Quebec (within Canada).. so - I thought they were going to go back to that.

07-11-2011, 01:54 PM
No not at all. Everyone in Canada can buy from just happen to be setting up their office in Montreal.


07-11-2011, 12:44 PM
OVH Canada will only invest in Montreal? Does that mean only customers in the province of Quebec will be allowed to purchase services from OVH Canada?.
07-08-2011, 02:56 PM
As you know, OVH is starting up its business in the U.S. and Canada. And as you know, maybe, in the U.S. there is a law "Patriot Act" which allows the authorities (FBI, CIA) to access all data hosted in the USA and all the data around the world hosted by American companies. This demands no justice, just by mentioning "Patriot Act". It's the law in the U.S. and it is normal if we were in the USA.

At our level, OVH France has its own infrastructure in France and offered on European markets. Also, within a few days we will offer them to all customers worldwide, including U.S. OVH France is not subject to "Patriot Act" since OVH France is not an American company and has no infrastructure in the U.S..

OVH U.S is an American company and will invest in the U.S to build datacentres and offer its services to U.S customers but also around the world. It provides two major data centers in the U.S so OVH U.S is subject to U.S. Patriot Act and will comply with U.S. law. This is quite normal.

OVH France does not provide services based on the U.S. infrastructure. OVH U.S. and will not offer services based on OVH France. These are two groups who have nothing to do with each other. And so if you want a server in the U.S., must be ordered from OVH U.S. And if an American wants a server in Europe it will go through OVH France. And thus be a customer of these two companies. Total isolation between the two companies that have separate customer bases.

And the same with OVH Canada is a third company and isolated from the two previous groups. It is also not a subsidiary of OVH France or OVH U.S.. And OVH Canda will invest only in Montreal. OVH Canada is not subject to Patriot Act.

OVH U.S. and OVH Canada are two new companies, the main actuator is Octave Klaba and only him. This is not a subsidiary of OVH France either. They isolated from each other again.

In short, we have the same kind of isolation between the three companies such as Visa has set up for Visa Europe and Visa USA. The goal is the same: to reassure customers while respecting the law of each country.

In contrast, our U.S. competitors dedicated servers or Cloud Computing does not seem to have the same types of insulation. And so if you use a service from a U.S. company in Europe you are subject to Patriot Act.
It's the same for free email, your friends pages or storing your photos. Read:

The aim of this email does not discuss law and whether it is or not. The aim is to clarify the situation of OVH respect to its customers in Europe and our future customers in the U.S. and Canada.
OVH must and will respect the laws of each country. Our goal is to provide service to customers that develops in each country in accordance with the law, not try to circumvent the laws.
As each country has its own laws and OVH groups in each country fully abides with that country laws.
It is therefore, we hope to have 3 major datacentres in North America until 2025 and invest about €500m creating about 1,000 jobs.